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Hi folks! I have just started to Top and I like it...a lot! I noticed that my "Top" side was coming out a couple of months ago. I would watch really amazing scenes and think to myself, "I would do/say this or that". I wasn't criticizing the Top in the least...like I said, I would find myself drawn to scenes that I thought to be powerful. It was almost like I was "virtual Topping". Then I began to actually Top people and it was such a rush! And I have been SO blessed to play was some amazing Tops/Doms out there who have taken me to some amazing places...and I feel myself wanting to do the same for others. The problem is that I feel that I will lose my submissive/masochist side and that my future Daddy/Dominant will not see me because I am doing all of this Topping. Or that the Community will somehow think of me as "less of a submissive". I know that this may not sound rational but it is how I feel sometimes. Has anyone else experienced this? How did you handle it? God, coming out as bisexual was so much easier for me!
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Re: Coming out as a switch
Mon, April 23, 2007 - 9:38 AMYou won't ever lose it. You may misplace it from time to time, but you'll never lose it.
And yes, the het community tends to think less of people who are bi, (men, anyway), and people who switch. Part of the social expectation in the het world is that people are either doms or subs, (not tops or bottoms), and that people are either one or the other. People can change, but they're still thought of as one of the other.
This rigidity of thinking isn't completely pervasive, of course, but it's extremely common. My advice is to ignore it. Do what you want to do. The people who have trouble understanding it or think less of you for it aren't really the people you want to be interacting with or having you admire you anyway, are they? -
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Re: Coming out as a switch
Mon, April 23, 2007 - 9:47 AMplus it doesnt seem so much of a stretch to me. its a thin line between love and hate? and even thinner between sub and top. I think at least. If not then why is it that so many masters after training their subs, let them then have a sub of their own? i thought thats how it worked. (not really just using that language) the sub gets trained then they get sub. so they really are learning how to top and how to bottom? am i wrong or right. based on the many masters ive talked to, alot of them do it this way. And do they get this shit from a book somewhere or what?
in any case, any master whos cool enough to be your Top, Keri , isnt going to think like that , and fuck the ones who do...
And Have FUN!!!!!!!!
Thanks for sharing, and ps. this happens, and like most, and like me, i felt bad too, and had those same emotions...o im a bad sub, o im notthis or that, o im confused. and look at me know , keri.....id say.............this is a good thing thats happening!!!!
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Re: Coming out as a switch
Mon, April 23, 2007 - 9:52 AMThere's a male switch I used to know in the community who also happens to be one of the best damn floggers I've ever watched. And then one time he was bottoming and afterwards, another Dom walked up to him and said, "Hey you better knock that off and you'll lose your Dom status." I began to wonder half seriously what "Dom status" meant. *g* It seems there are folk in our community aren't comfortable unless they can put labels on you. To hell with them. The whole idea is to have fun and it sounds like you've discovered something else that you enjoy. :)
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Re: Coming out as a switch
Mon, April 23, 2007 - 10:09 AMill never forget either, i went out with this guy who was the toppiest of tops and he and i watched this video of midori's. It was her in all these different clips topping people. one was her in a dungeon, one with a guy who was a professor, another was her doing some chic in the film crew. Anyway......he would never let me tie him up and swore that he was the domliest of doms. heh. but, i knew when he wouldnt return my fucking dvd , that he loved it. but was just afraid to admit it. story of so many people s lives. but not us, that s whats so cool about this group. you can be who you are, and not only will it be ok, your folks will help you , and youll learn all this stuff about yourself and grow. and to me THATS why Im here. Whether i achieve it from a top or bottoms perspective its ultimately about self realization and knowing who you are ultimately and not judgeing yourself bad or good for it....
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Re: Coming out as a switch
Mon, April 23, 2007 - 1:51 PM"You won't ever lose it. You may misplace it from time to time, but you'll never lose it."
Oh, well said! I think I misplaced my virginity somewhere along the way, too...
For the original post: The thing is, much like with sexuality, there's a continuum with BDSM, not an either/or... If you put "Top" at one end and "Bottom" on the other (and here I'm WAY over-simplifying, in the interest of time), I think most people fall somewhere in there on certain days... and may fall elsewhere on others. Maybe that's just me reading life through my own bisexual, poly & switchy filters... but I've seldom met someone who was ALL Top ALL the time (or any other designation, for that matter). It does happen probably... but I think it's rare. It's all about being who you are, exploring choices and enjoying yourself. -
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Re: Coming out as a switch
Mon, April 23, 2007 - 3:08 PMo id say any dominant daddy will love your evil side, and of course you can have a master and not top him and still top others , if thats what you agree to, you can have anything you want.
i hope you get everything your heart desires.
love
o and as for you rhia, thats too bad, cuz we could have worked something out, although im not quite sure how that works, isnt that like the blind leading the blind, the cheakie leading the cheakie?
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Re: Coming out as a switch
Mon, April 23, 2007 - 5:30 PMI'm sure it would be amusing for people to watch. Maybe sometime in the future.
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Re: Coming out as a switch
Mon, April 23, 2007 - 10:02 AMFor me being a switch is a balancing act. My body, and mind will crave to be one way or another. Or the situation may push me in one direction or the other. However, I hit a certain point that if I've been Topping too much, or have been submissive a lot, that I will have to be my other side or I feel unbalanced. I start to literally feel like I'm missing part of myself, which I've come to discover is awesome for me.
I started off being just a sub as well, and then started exploring my Domme side. It hasn't in anyway made me lose my submissiveness. Though sometimes I am cheekier when I've been dominate for a while. ^_^
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Re: Coming out as a switch
Mon, April 23, 2007 - 10:10 AMbe who you are....if it's a top that day, great, if it's a bottom, great......enjoy the freedom of being able to explore all the facets that make you, you
as for the people who are concerned about you not being a real top/domme or bottom/sub, because you may switch....welll...they other other issues to deal with...don't worry about them -
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Mon, April 23, 2007 - 10:16 AMThough sometimes I am cheekier when I've been dominate for a while. ^_^
looks up at Rhia , Do you have help for that problem.......or i should ask would you like help with that problem ?!?!
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Re: Coming out as a switch
Mon, April 23, 2007 - 10:18 AMOK, I"m sorry, I can't help it~
Dominate is a VERB. It is what you Do
Dominant is both a Noun and an Adjective. It is what you Are. -
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Re: Coming out as a switch
Mon, April 23, 2007 - 11:20 AM>_< Daaaaaaaamn....I can't believe I typed that. I should really wake up more before posting.
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Mon, April 23, 2007 - 7:08 PMDid you loose a dictionary? I'm sure it will come in handy the next time you're tied up. -
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Mon, April 23, 2007 - 8:18 PMSorry, I thought I was on my 'word freaks' tribe. -
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Mon, April 23, 2007 - 9:06 PMSince English isn't Waldemar's first language I would excuse him for speling.
Tied to my dictionary, ain't it the trooth! -
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Re: Coming out as a switch
Mon, April 23, 2007 - 9:48 PMgush, i want a spanking for every word i mispel
heh
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Re: Coming out as a switch
Mon, April 23, 2007 - 9:54 PM
Hey Qatana, did you know I have a copy of the *1911* Encyclopedia Britanica? -
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Re: Coming out as a switch
Tue, April 24, 2007 - 7:45 AMI would have owned one as well if the moving company hadn't misplaced all nine or so volumes...my pride & joy is somewhat younger- 1956 Oxford Universal Dictionary, bound in new leather with my name in gold on the spine... -
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Re: Coming out as a switch
Tue, April 24, 2007 - 7:57 AM
OMG that sucks about the moving company! Mine is 16 volumes, and was handed down from my great aunt and great uncle. They hadn't started using that evil acid paper yet, so they're still in fairly good shape, although the binding is crumbling a bit.
Wow the dictionary has your name on it -- that is way cool! -
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Tue, April 24, 2007 - 8:00 AMThe Really Big Loss was the Entire Harvard Classics. All of the Grimm & Anderson fairy tales at their gruesome, bloody, unedited best...and the other 4' 9" of books...
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Re: Coming out as a switch
Tue, April 24, 2007 - 8:44 AMI'm getting very wet now, please go on! -
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Re: Coming out as a switch
Tue, April 24, 2007 - 8:46 AMNo, I'm getting really wet.....
Please go on.
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Re: Coming out as a switch
Mon, April 23, 2007 - 11:23 AMHehe I generally have SOMEone more than willing to help with that, ehm, "problem". *looks innocent*
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Re: Coming out as a switch
Mon, April 23, 2007 - 11:56 AMI wouldn't worry about it too much...I generally find that for me, it depends on the other person. There are some people I instinctively react to as a submissive, and others I don't. The ones I don't, a small percentage of them I react to as a dominant and want to do evil dirty things to them *grin* I think the only time things get confused if is you have the two feelings for the same person. There was a certain someone I wanted to play with once, but I couldn't figure out how I regarded him, till he told me he was a switch himself and we considered switching situationally with each other. If that had happened, I don't think I could have ever really regarded him as a dominant, esp not lifestyle, or a submissive, but temporarily it could have worked out. -
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Mon, April 23, 2007 - 12:27 PMI totally agree with you, Morgan. There are definitely people that just feel very submissive towards and others I just want to do evil things to. And I know that I would never want to Top my future Dominant/Daddy. That difficult for me to wrap my brain around. Although I do know couples who are able to do this and I think this is great! -
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Re: Coming out as a switch
Mon, April 23, 2007 - 12:41 PMKeri, as others have said, be who you want to be and rejoice in it. You know my history..not only did I start out as a submissive, I was a slave for 7 years. Now I find myself topping more than bottoming. I'm glad I'm a switch and don't really care if others can label me or not. I yam who I yam. Being a switch just makes life in the scene that much more interesting and opens wide the field of play.
If a Dominant/Daddy judges you because of this, he's not worth his salt as a dom and not worthy of the gifts you can give him. Have fun and keep smiling.
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Re: Coming out as a switch
Mon, April 23, 2007 - 12:14 PMWelcome to the dark side *winks* -
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Re: Coming out as a switch
Mon, April 23, 2007 - 12:30 PMHee hee! Thanks Good Little Naughty Girl!
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Re: Coming out as a switch
Tue, April 24, 2007 - 9:06 AMHow about a towel?
Sorry, I'm in a mood!
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Thu, May 3, 2007 - 1:46 PMYeah! Wecome to the Dark Side(tm) Keri! We have cookies and cake!
Congratulations on finding another positive avenue of self-expression. I look forward to watching you!
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Re: Coming out as a switch
Mon, April 23, 2007 - 12:39 PM
Keri, I *strongly* advise you not to go down this particular path. Top's are bad people. Really. Just evil folk. I don't think you want to be associated with a group of people like that. I advise you to remain "pure".
I know people say "do whatever you want and don't worry about how others perceive it", but they are lying. They are only trying to make themselves feel better by destroying the wholesome submissiveness you exemplify. Remember the world of BDSM isn't black and white. It's only that way when you reach perfection; Otherwise we are all some shade of grey. Folks like me get darker and darker as we explore our top side, while nice sweet girls like you move lighter and lighter. Only when we reach the "end of the spectrum", pure White in your case, is it time to consider traveling to the other side. You still have far to go. After all, most of the time you're sort of "pinkish".
In the meantime I urge you to continue exploring your submissive side. Go for the pure white of submissive perfection, don't allow yourself to be tainted with specs of dark as you dabble in Topping.
Remember Star Wars? The whole "Dark Side" thing? Well, it's exactly like that, except it's like the Evil Emperor who was totally bad and not Darth Vader who still had a little bit of goodness in him. Topping is *all* bad.
Just don't do it.
Steve
P.S. Obviously one or two failings on your part in trying out topping are forgivable. However if you proceed down this path I'm going to take some solace in the thought that in your message you only mention "Topping", and not "Dominating". So, perhaps there is still the hope that you'll limit your forays into the physical world of sensation, and not go into the mental world of control. Part of your psyche can remain pure.
P.P.S. And, I'm not saying this because if you go into the world of topping you'll only have half as much time to bottom to the likes of me. ;-) -
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Re: Coming out as a switch
Mon, April 23, 2007 - 12:49 PMI love you Steve! And we all know the concept of me achieving some kind of white purity was lost years ago! And I will always find time to play with you no matter how far I go over to the Dark Side....you're too much of a sadistic bastard for this girl to resist. Thanks for the post....seems that I forgot that BDSM is supposed to be FUN...I needed a reminder!
And if any Dominant/Daddy passes me over because I can be an evil little girl once in awhile is probably 1. not worth my time and 2. Probably not strong enough to handle this submissive!
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Mon, April 23, 2007 - 1:06 PMIf you ever find yourself talking to someone that doesn't believe what a bottom slut you are after watching you top, I'd be happy to demonstrate for them :) -
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Re: Coming out as a switch
Mon, April 23, 2007 - 1:14 PMYay! Another Top that I would never, ever turn down having a bottoming experience with! Such a lucky girl I am!
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Thu, May 3, 2007 - 1:43 PMWord. Yeah, I think most of us (especially the neighbors) will vouch for your bottoming creds. *whew!*
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Re: Coming out as a switch
Mon, April 23, 2007 - 1:25 PMFrom a newbie perspective, Keri, you're amazing to watch when you're bottoming and you're amazing to be topped by. I think it's a win-win situation all around... *grins*
Screw what everyone else thinks (I'm just repeating everyone else now) as long as *you're* having fun!
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Re: Coming out as a switch
Mon, April 23, 2007 - 4:40 PMThe time I've topped or been dominant for someone, I've found it comes from the same place of service that my submission does. (It can be especially fun to get two subs with switchy tendancies together, too. I've been sharing that joy with a friend lately. :) )
Re: What the community thinks: that's their problem. At the end of the day, what matters (to me, at least) is building heart-felt relationships with someone. If that means I kneel for them and bring my service, hallelujah. :) If it means I take someone who needs careful nurturing and shaping, then the Dom side comes out.
For me, submitting feeds me emotionally. Serving as the Dom can do that also, but I need to make sure I'm cared for in other ways (e.g. I had a massage therapist as a sub, which was soooo good...)
Bottom line: follow your heart and feh on those who would pigenhole you.
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Re: Coming out as a switch
Tue, April 24, 2007 - 7:45 AMKeri,
Here's something that I wrote in my blog this weekend:
"I'm really thankful for being able to explore different kinds of play without being boxed into any particular role or activity. I'd hate to miss out on any fun because someone thought I was 'just' a puppy or bunny (or hippie or faery or pirate)!"
I totally understand your image concerns, as we are taught our whole lives to depend on feedback from others for the formation of our own identities. Playing with, and around, the wonderful people at the citadel has allowed me to begin freeing myself of such concerns and just be me.
There's no reason why being a top would diminish your ability to bottom (or your desirability for such) any more than being bi would diminish your ability to play with people of a particular sex - yeesh, how awful would that be?! LOL!
*hugs*
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Re: Coming out as a switch
Fri, April 27, 2007 - 4:23 PMHi there- I think you'll be fine! :D
Now, I HAVE witnessed that "a TWOO submissive NEVER tops" attitude in real life, but it's a lot more rare there than it is on the internet. I never really got why people felt so threatened by anything that wasn't utterly black and white.
Now, I have been subbing for 11 or 12 years now, and I have been topping on rare occasion in my private life for 4 or 5 years, professionally off and on for a couple of years. Have I lost my submissiveness? Hell no!
I have become a little bit more picky about who I play with. My standards have gotten a bit higher. I am a little more likely to test the mettle of a prospective dom before giving myself over to him, but once the power dynamic is established, it's as solid as it has ever been.
I do currently belong to someone. I am very much his submissive. He likes it when I'm a bit bratty, so I am, but my secondary dom isn't really about the brattiness and we have no problems either. Yeah, there are people who might be turned off by the idea of someone topping anyone else. That's just how they are wired. Yeah, there are people who will feel too insecure and threatened by someone who also tops, and it's their loss. The Daddy.Dom who is right for you will not have a problem with it, and will encourage your growth as a person instead of trying to repress it, in my opinion.
For those who say that switches are not "for real" or "true" to the lifestyle, uhhh, we aren't clothing brands, it's not like we all have to come out of one factory and be sewn one exact way. Gods, how boring would THAT be?
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Re: Coming out as a switch
Sat, April 28, 2007 - 9:33 AMI feel like it only makes sense, in some ways, but maybe cause I'm going through the same thing.
You're not submissive to ALL people, right? There are people you feel submissive around, and to them, you submit. Same with Topping, I imagine. Some people bring it out in you.
And when you meet a guy/girl that brings out both parts... run for cover. ::grin:: Though the tussling is fun.
It's similar in that way to being bisexual, I imagine. You're attracted to what/who you're attracted to. Who cares what you label it or why? -
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Sat, April 28, 2007 - 12:31 PM"run for cover?"
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Sat, April 28, 2007 - 1:34 PM
> hell, that`s where all the fun is!
I know *I've* been enjoying it lately!
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Re: Coming out as a switch
Sat, April 28, 2007 - 3:20 PMDon't get me wrong- I enjoy it, but it's also a bit too fiery for me to keep it up for long periods of time. It's more like a treat.
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Re: Coming out as a switch
Mon, April 30, 2007 - 10:11 AMWell sheesh, and I have problem convincing pepole that I'm a bottom/sub :P
